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> Make your own windchart!, 100% accurate, ALL BOTS, 32 factors (4 wind splits)
LichKingg
post Nov 2 2007, 05:22 PM
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taken down due to constant whining. gets on your nerves when you want to do something helpful and every1 goes "omg he's posting aimbot", so problem solved. msg me for any problems regarding this. :#

edit: moved to ACES section actually. so DON'T PM ME FOR IT ANYMORE. it's now a PRIVATE tool.


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post Nov 3 2007, 07:34 AM
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Ehh, you need to learn some tips on reducing equations on excel. Other than that its ok, my #'s are only different by a bit with my excel :o

Although, i think you should take this down immediately, it will hurt gunbound lol


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post Nov 3 2007, 07:49 AM
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this is the public version. The one i have and that my friends' have are slightly different, easier to deal with tailwinds, since it will show the max wind before it backshots, so as to make it easily correctable. Also, instead of having the whole equation in bits, then 1 cell putting it all together, i just pasted the individual cell equations into the master cell's, so saves space on the calculations.

But I am worried about the differences. Are you using the same:
- bot constants?
- constant converting initial velocity to power bar?

If those aren't the issue then i will check over my work. thanks.


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post Nov 3 2007, 08:05 AM
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lol cmon gabe, im sure u kno the feeling of accomplishing something that ur proud of and wish to share with the world
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post Nov 3 2007, 09:07 AM
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Aimbotters could easily use this as their excuse to aimbotting.

Anyways, here is what you get for 26 wind using angle 80

Starting at angle 67.5

0.38
0.25
0.10
-0.05
-0.19
-0.32
-0.42
-0.49
-0.54
-0.57
-0.57
-0.56
-0.53
-0.48
-0.43
-0.36
-0.28
-0.20
-0.10
-0.01
0.09
0.18
0.28
0.37

Here is what I get using your same degrees using 2.92 power as a base (half screen)

0.36
0.24
0.1
-0.04
-0.18
-0.3
-0.4
-0.47
-0.53
-0.55
-0.56
-0.54
-0.51
-0.47
-0.41
-0.35
-0.27
-0.19
-0.1
0 (rounded to 0 from -.01)
0.08
0.18
0.27
0.35

I don't use same constants as you =x


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post Nov 3 2007, 09:32 AM
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hmm, i get those exact same results if i set my bot to gravity of 390 pixels/s^2, mass of 0.260 units, as opposed to 0.264 units for turtle, base angle to 80, so i guess its all good, seeing as ur prolly doing turtle too XD. I guess the mass is just different by 0.004 on yours.
My constants are not obtained my myself, but rather, from MaShin of 4star. :$

EDIT: The 2nd set is not the results i'm getting from angle 80 on turtle though. wtih gravity at 390, mass at 0.264, base angle at 80, my results are slightly different. (distance does not play a role)

Starting at angle 67.5 (my angle 6/32 factors), at 26 wind, i get
0.37
0.24
0.10
-0.05
etc

I think the change is you entered the power 2.92 which isnt exact. Cells A6-B7 are whited out on the 1st page. If none of the formulas are changed, changing cell B7 (the distance), will change the power, and the power + distance will change in every sheet. Hence 1/2 screen = 10 distance (20 parts), and power will be 2.926147936.....) this might cause an extra difference in the results, i suppose.


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post Nov 3 2007, 10:25 AM
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I didn't enter 2.92, i entered 400 pixels lol

Distance does play a little role, but the change is so insigificant it doesn't really matter. I personally use half screen as base for angle 80 because I don't really use 80 past 3 bars.


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post Nov 3 2007, 02:50 PM
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Basicly I use those constants because the "time" is in seconds... and theres a constant that u must multiply by the velocity u calculate in order to get the right power we measure in GB.
But I guess u already know that lol. anyway the constant is:
0.004332712

And also Boomer's mass should be 0.149 not 0.151 (I forgot to change it on my public calculator)


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post Nov 3 2007, 04:21 PM
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srsly, fuck this shit. Gabe is absolutley right when he says ppl could be aimbotting but be like "oh i used this (links to this thread)"

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post Nov 3 2007, 06:05 PM
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lol i dont formula anymore, hell i dont even measure distances. It just got to the point where its way easier to just play w/o them. I just use basic factors and laws and chuck norris' soul while i play :)


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post Nov 3 2007, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(MaShin @ Nov 3 2007, 04:50 PM) *

And also Boomer's mass should be 0.149 not 0.151 (I forgot to change it on my public calculator)


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srsly, fuck this shit. Gabe is absolutley right when he says ppl could be aimbotting but be like "oh i used this (links to this thread)"

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I'm not making an aimbot lol, this is just giving people more accurate windcharts, bot-specific windcharts. A lot of people show their windcharts don't they? Well i'm just giving people the means to make their own (for angle anyways). This doesn't have:
- all the directions possible
- elevation
- doesn't work in heavy tailwind combined with high initial angle (although its correctable in the formulas if you know what you're doing XD)

tbh if someone used 90 windcharts for 90 degrees they wouldn't hit every shot because every factor isnt there, 32 listed, and its not like we're all playing on miramo a side where elevation is hardly ever a factor.
Hell, even if they do use this, its not impossible to miss, because there are only 4 wind splits, not 26.

I really don't think a person using several bot-specific windcharts is the same as someone using an aimbot.


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QUOTE(ywd @ Nov 3 2007, 07:15 PM) *

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its not, you missed my/gabes point. people who are actually aimbotting could use something like this (which you made public =X) as an excuse/reason to why they dont miss.


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post Nov 3 2007, 06:36 PM
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ya but im saying that this is not an excuse, since this wc generator does not allow you to hit in all situations, rather, it allows you to create ur own formulas. If someone really wanted to make an excuse, anyone could say "ya i have really good feel". Though, say they use this as an excuse, say in 44's guild tourney thats underway. They would still have to show how they did the calculation. base power/angle, +/- how many angles, move forward/backward a lil, etc. I don't see how just referring to this thread would cut it.

its like saying "omg i just used an uber good formula, im not aimbotting". or are you saying people aren't allowed to release the good stuff? (though this is only the public version) Are the windcharts my excel generator creates are "too precise" for this forum? I mean come on...its not like you guys are manipulating your results on the windcharts you create so people don't hit. Every1 is trying to release the most accurate info possible, without revealing the most secret parts of that particular technique to shoot.

However, if a moderator deems this inappropriate to post, I don't mind. My intentions are to help people willing to make their own formulas, not to be offensive to any type of player, be it feel or formula.


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too many factors with this thing
I only use factors for the 8 basic wind directions
the rest of the directions in between are all angle addition/subtraction
but this is nice i can use it to test some stuff


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"feel vs formula" debate split out here:
http://www.gbgl-hq.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2623
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post Nov 3 2007, 07:45 PM
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im not debating, im stating my opinion. its not subject to change.

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wow. now that i look closer this thing is basically aimbot
not to bash you or anything, gabe demoness and pap are right
its okay for you to use it since you made it but this thing will ruin gb if it gets out of hand


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GB has already been ruined. What more is this gonna do? By the way erin and pap seemed to have said it. This will single handedly ruin GB. Well what about all the other formulas out there? The more accurate ones? Take R4pi5t's trico chart, aimbotters could say "oh i use rapist's chart" Well I don't see any of them doing that so how is this different? I think it all boils down to formula vs. feel. And that is someone posts a formula or a windchart maker. Then anyone who hates formulas can fuck off. I say good job ywd. I'm not gonna use this, but kudos to actually making it a bit easier to anyone who's wanted to try to make a windchart.

PS. Save me all the shit about "well it's too easy, they don't have to do any work just pop in some numbers and voila insta-windchart." Which does take out the reward and satisfaction of doing it all by hand. But that is what formuals have done in the first. Make it easier for anyone to play. And it's up to them whether they want to use formulas or not. So just can it with the form vs. feel debate. It's like religion.


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making your own windchart is one thing, but this is something QUITE different... use of this tool would actually be fairly analogous to being a script-kiddie


essentially you're just reaping the benefits of someone else's work...

...and if you're ok with that, then that's fine, so long as you don't try to pass it off as being good at the game...


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yep thats basically my point
i know i use forms i probably sound like a douche saying that but the line has to be drawn somewhere

the only charts ive ever used are gabes fork chart and creedos banpao 1screen chart
everything else i learned through experience or just 1vs1 with friends to see where certain shots end up in diff winds

If you can make stuff like this to help you play better, I say kudos to you, you deserve to use it
But using other people's programs/equations..
ill just quote jordan on this since i cant put it any better


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