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post Dec 1 2007, 10:47 PM
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post Dec 2 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(mezz @ Dec 1 2007, 04:31 PM) *

He's. A. Raoner.
The vast majority can't pull seniority him, give me a break.
I stopped being a raon player when the babies became bugged. He kept going and obviously has had success.
In summary, shut the fuck up and enjoy the video :P


w00t.gif me too!

anyways,

i don't see what the big deal is. perhaps that's because i am fairly new here. but i think that...

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it's a matter of self-expression!


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by that i mean:

raon is far more creative a bot than any of the other bots, and as such, is open to alot more creative uses. so i don't think it's a matter of.. is it easier or not. to which i say no, partially because no bot is all that easy, and partially because.. i suck sleep.gif. and besides, i don't find the new raon all that easy to use. and the damage is fairly low, so.. yeah.

why can't we all just relax. it's a great video, and i think he's super pro with the raon launcher.
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post Dec 2 2007, 09:33 PM
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so a bot that does less dmg takes more skill? i guess that makes sense.

thats y i decided to move on instead of trying to adapt to bf, frog and jd
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post Dec 2 2007, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(StY @ Dec 2 2007, 08:33 PM) *

so a bot that does less dmg takes more skill?


matter of opinion... it takes more in some aspects, but less in others.


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post Dec 4 2007, 02:41 PM
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well, just for the record i'm a friggin idiot.

gio pointed out yesterday that the delay for shot 2 got raised to 940 when they changed raon. fuck, i never even noticed. =.=

oh well, at least coin-coin missed it too, sort of:
http://canapin.free.fr/GunBound/changes_en.html

if they fuck over raon anymore with these coming changes i'm just gonna have to strangle my puppy.
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post Dec 4 2007, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE(ProfessorPap @ Dec 4 2007, 03:41 PM) *

if they fuck over raon anymore with these coming changes i'm just gonna have to strangle my puppy.



good luck with that..
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post Dec 5 2007, 08:35 AM
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by the way, I have been using Raon again since yesterday...it still is a fairly good mobile when you use shot 1 80% of the time


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post Dec 5 2007, 09:12 AM
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My...analysis...

Old > New

New would stand a prayer as being a killer IF, and I repeat IF its s2 delay was not 940+10...Almost ANY of the 6 Power bots (Boomer, Turtle, Ice, Trico, Kalsi, Nak) can out-delay that no problem, for 50-100 more damage, without having to do some crazy fun trick shots to even reach 200 damage.

The new raon is really, realllly fun to play, I love messing around with it, seeing what's possible, but on a strict damaging standpoint versus other bots in the game it just can't hold up with that delay, I can see it killing turtles, tricos, and kalsis, due to the angle rape possibilities, with a 350-400 dmg SS to finish the job, but if the other person can dual you for 500+ damage before you kill his angle completely, they will be able to fight out of a loss, assuming they know how to play of course..

Great video none the less, shows that raon is a fun bot with tons of possibilities, but looking at the hard facts raon still can't stand up to the powerhouse bots, matter of fact, nothing can...the only bot besides the 6 I listed that is good against the strong bots is a mage, good steady damage with low delay and angle killing possibilities..or a melee asate...lol...or an aduka with level 4+ thor...


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post Dec 5 2007, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(1nsanemofo @ Dec 5 2007, 10:12 AM) *

I can see it killing turtles, tricos, and kalsis, due to the angle rape possibilities, with a 350-400 dmg SS to finish the job, but if the other person can dual you for 500+ damage before you kill his angle completely, they will be able to fight out of a loss, assuming they know how to play of course..

agree with just about everything you say.

it's almost impossible for a raon to beat a kalsi who knows wind and timebombs unless you're on a funky map like nirvana or adium B or someplace where he has utterly no way of making a shot.

but the really discouraging thing about playing versus good (but not godly) kalsis is that you can make every shot absolutely perfectly and be kicking their ass but just before you can kill them they finally manage to hit a dual thru weather killing you in virtually a single turn. and kalsis can almost match raons too in terms of rock-clearing bunges if enough projectiles hit.

kalsis are really hard to completely angle-rape, too. generally the best you can do is to get them turned in the other direction and hope you didn't just give them a shot at a teammate.
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post Dec 5 2007, 07:02 PM
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i just hit a baby against a dragon twice:

first time it walked off a little ledge above him and fell right onto his belly. instead of falling through him into the ground, it exploded.

second time, the dragon had been holed a little, and when the baby walked over it was roughly on the same level as his lower belly, so exploded again.

other than those, the babies seemed useless as usual. :S
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post Dec 5 2007, 07:28 PM
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old > new IMHO, even though i don't use raon at all.. however i liked how you get a chance to run or kill the babies before they walked, it was more fair... considering the fact they were pretty strong and raon had a 5-pt def in the Mobile stats.
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post Dec 5 2007, 09:44 PM
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the new raon plays a role that is closer to lightning. its is prolly slightly better in terms of dmg and angle kill, but the delay is nowhere close =\
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post Dec 5 2007, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(StY @ Dec 5 2007, 08:44 PM) *

the new raon plays a role that is closer to lightning. its is prolly slightly better in terms of dmg and angle kill, but the delay is nowhere close =\


only without weather.

i've done 499 damage to a single target with one well-placed shot two while thor was on

and dont discount that it's one of the few bots that can pull a 300 damage shot 1


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