it's been around 5-6 years i think. some dude handed the original site to rizzano just before he asploded due to stress. (what a lameass)

now i guess only 40% of us still play the game.

so what is this site here for now? how much can it really add to GB at this point? what would make it better and more interesting? or should it just be closed down now for all time?

you decide.

(and by saying "you decide", i'm not paying the bills and the decision is totally not mine, jaja)

BONUS QUESTION: what do you think about "blogs" being listed as one of the main forum options?

bish.

Im still lovin it xD

Bonus answer: Hmm.... sure idk why but sure xD

i love gbgl, keep it around

I post random pictures. I have job security here!

We should keep it, but have more forums for other games a lot of people here play. Like a SSB forum or something. But now it's more of a general forum.

No.

I think I need to say something on this, so it might as well be a bit more detailed.

I hate quite a few of you in the half-kidding kind of way. The kind where I tell you "Man I fucking hate you" then we both laugh about it, but after the laughing trails off I just think "No, really." I don't bring it up very often because I honestly don't care for hating people on the internet, it's a waste of everyone's time. The reason I don't post here and at least half the reason this site fell into disrepair is because I just don't care and I certainly don't like Gunbound. That's why I make people like Pap and mezz admins, because they at least still read the forums and are generally nice guys all around.

Gunbound is a terrible game. It used to be a good game, about 5 years ago. Any of you still playing it really just ought to move on to something else, it's just that bad. It was that bad three years ago, I can only imagine it is now somehow worse. It is a free korean game. There's nothing about that sentence that even hints towards intelligent management or balance decisions. Every choice they have made and ever will make will be about getting people to spend more money on their game. Stop getting sucked into it. I can't say it any more clearly. Some of you don't want to quit because of how much you have invested in the game, be it money or time. Guess what? That's their trap. Just walk away and in about a month you'll forget about it entirely. Trust me, please.

Why do I still pay for this site? Apathy.

You guys barely use the videogames forum as it is, and you want more forums for games? Yeah, right. Adding more boards for different interests will only serve to fracture the userbase further, and kill the site off faster.

Face it, community isn't growing anymore. You need fresh blood to keep a community alive. You don't have that anymore. And, really, you're not going to magically resurrect things.

That being said I've seen far less active places, so whatever.

<3 u gbgl

Fresh Blood = Private formula section with a 5-10 post requirement, forces the leechers to at least register and talk to some people to print out the windcharts they didn't make to look pro.

They have Creedo's for that.

Gunbound is dead and I want to move away from it if we can. Forcing people to post for content just increases the number of shitty posts. Not to mention Creedo's site is vastly superior for that sort of thing anyway

i like gbgl i enjoyed posting here for a long while :D and lurking for an even longer while =T

i honestly really like dan's idea

But what would be the reward that they receive for posting 10 times and never coming back again

if gbgl ceased to exist, i'd be sad :[

my life would be duller than it already is.

My life would be over. I <3 you people.

well, the basic lack of anything entertaining or educational is what has been slowly killing my interest in this site.

i'm sure this would have been the same whether i was still playing GB (since little GB is discussed here anymore) and besides, i hate formulas and measurement systems anyway.

honestly, all you many people who regularly use measurements and formulas to hit are like insecure cockroaches to me- 99.9% of you didn't figure out the measurements yourself and furthermore you're far too self-centered to understand how much you've cheapened the game over the years.

what i used to love about GBGL was the intelligent exchange of warring viewpoints, like the debates that creedo, ranstern and i used to have about drugs and religion.

even if we hated each other's POV's we still kept arguing and kept enjoying things. even a choice insult was worth coming back for.

you current people generally do little more than paste in a standard "lol" internet reply over and over again.

okay, to be fair, maybe that's something that makes you satisfied and helps relieve the stress from your middle-school and high-school lives, but it bores the stockings off of me. so i guess that just makes me old. it's sad to think that being 25+ years old makes me old, but i guess that makes me old.

oh dear.

weeeeeee im YOUNG NOW!

*clears throat*
i like how the gb discussions here are far more indepth and mature (for the most part) than the stuff on ijji forum.

and yes i enjoy gb, 'cause i've only played it for less than 2 years.

i love the aces forum here. =D

some random shit found around here tends to make my day, since i dont spend much time browsing the rest of the internet. most of my time on computer is either this or gb/dota.

i stopped caring about the quality of some of my posts only because i was under the impression that no one cared. but hey, feel free to prove me wrong.
that being said, i will try to take part in "meaningful" arguements just to keep nic company? <3

adding to that, i think we've been seeing at least a couple new faces here, not just the aces members... namely that guy named phoenixpro who honestly made me laugh out loud

@Pap

You know I make my own forms, that being said.

I still, to this day, STRONGLY appose making most formulas, if any, public, outside of general "in this wind lower .1 every 3 or 4 wind"

Because, this would've separated the game into 3 groups, 2 being very small.

1. Aimbotters, nuff said
2. Form/Pro feel players, a very small group, to this day a very small group because its not about who hits anymore, its about delay management and strategy
3. The rest of the game who dosnt play competitively

This game is so old that there's hardly a need for a formula database anymore. Why wont anyone listen to me this game is fucking dead.

@sty,
i'm glad you're enjoying the place. it seems others are too, so that's cool. if people are still enjoying the site then that makes me feel better.

re: the debates, what kinds of debate topics would interest you?


@dan,
i understand and agree.

most of my anger is really towards softnyx for not countering the rise of the formula hordes. blaming the hordes themselves is pretty-much just blaming human nature.


@shere,
in what direction would you like to move this site?

i feel like i can finally understand you now

I like that Peruvian dude who likes Iron Maiden. He is one of my favorite new members.

Pap, they can't. They would need a completely different game than what they have made in order to do it. Simply changing numbers around with any relative frequency wouldn't solve a damned thing and would just irritate the hell out of people. Everyone plays within the rules of the game. The rules of this game, and the way it is setup for those rules to be enacted, do not penalize it. Because it is an out-of-game constraint, the only mechanical option is to limit the amount of time people are capable of spending on it. Therefore, you would have to substantially reduce the amount of time the player has to think about his turn, either by increasing the pace of the game or by having purely random wind every single turn, and I guarantee you the vast majority of the userbase would not appreciate the latter.

The game itself has been pretty much worked out to a science. A strategy game player like me finds little of interest in the strategical portion anymore, since it is fundamentally reliant on the amount of accuracy you have. The more, the simpler the game. The less, the more chaotic. I doubt I would have played as long as I did if I was not playing Trico.

Now quit bitching. It's a flaw of the fundamental design of the game, nothing you can do about it.

Now, anyone who thinks that having DURR INCENTIVES TO POST TO GET FORMULAS is a good idea is being a fucking retard. First, this shit is publicly available and better off on places like, you know, Creedo's site. Second, you want quality, not quantity. Third, there is very little left to discuss regarding the game except retreads of shit we had many years ago and playing the game of "how much more stupid and greedy can Softnyx get?" This means your fresh blood is going to bring little new to the table anyway.

It's dead, buried, and we're all pissing on the coffin before carrying it to its grave at this point - This is why a community tied to any specific game or entity on the Internet is fundamentally doomed to failure if it is not an inherently creative one... The more you get the game down to a science, the less there will be to discuss, and the more tangential it will get. And Gunbound does not lend itself well to creative or varied thinking, sorry.

Wake up and realize it, people.



Now enjoy it while it lasts.

hehe +2 for fist of the north star reference.

anyway, here is my solution, mauve: (i've already mentioned this several times but maybe you didn't see)

1) get rid of the power bar and get rid of drag mode, leaving the space bar (or key of choice) the only input into powering your shots.

then, when you press the space bar, you see absolutely zero information as to how long you're holding it down. then you release space and the amount of time you held it down determines the power you choose. ie, same exact thing as slice mode, except there is no power bar to show you what power you've selected.

so the game becomes completely timing based, similar to how RL sports work.

2) taking it a step further, as that recent tanks varient did (remember the one?), the game won't show the number of the angle you've chosen. making it completely visual. you have to select the angle that looks right and you can't be sure if it's exactly the one you intend.

other than squashing bots that try to circumvent these changes, the game becomes a real game of timing and reaction skill in addition to the existing role of strategy. nobody can cheat by using pre-existing formulas, pre-existing measurement systems, pre-existing wind charts, etc.

to cheat in this new version, you'd have to press a compass from geometry class up to the screen to make sure you got the precise angle you wanted, and you'd have to start a timer when you first pressed the space bar to make sure you got the amount of power you wanted.

and people who cheated in that version of GB would be even more obvious than the ones who cheat in the current version.

what do you think?

i have another solution which would fix the problem of certain bots being stronger than others, making the constant changes (screwups) softnyx attempts in order to balance the bots completely unnecessary.

That's fine and all, but.

• Softnyx isn't going to do it, it would alienate its existing userbase.
• It's irrelevant to the discussion of the future of the site.

If you want that, then make the game yourself, don't sit around making suggestions that are never going to come to fruition.

(Not like it's something I haven't tried, obviously, but there are severe stumbling blocks on the content front as I am neither an artist nor a musician, which is what's really holding up things on my end, as the code's about 80-90% done.)

no shit. yet once you were left with the last true fans of the game, would there be anything stopping the perennial new fans from signing up? especially since a significantly larger proportion of them would stay longer?


honestly, dude...

let's rewind: you told me that softnyx COULDN'T control the horde of formula kiddies. then i sketched out a scenerio whereby they COULD.

if my solution bothers you in some way then just admit it. don't give me this "go make your own game" crap. i've been making my own games since the late era of the C64 / amiga. i currently make my own pinball simulations from time to time.

i think what you've accomplished in your own game so far is fantastic, but don't give me that cheap line again, please.

You don't understand.

Softnyx is a business. Businesses exist to make money. Few games survive heavy, radical shifts of gameplay mechanics, but more importantly they need people willing to spend money. This is especially true of older games, which do not have the steam associated with newer ones. Even if they advertise, it will never, ever achieve the buzz it did when it originally came out and spread around the Internet years ago, because everyone who is interested in it has already tried it.

They do not have an interest in making a better game. They have an interest in making you keep playing and paying money for shiny neon plaid phoenixes. This is a big damned difference. It does not matter if they CAN do something with the game's mechanics to change it in a way you would like more, they are bound by business and momentum so that they cannot, because they cannot risk destroying a revenue stream. Their shareholders would eat them alive. There is a big difference between mechanical problems and social ones.

If you're going to sit around here and lecture on how you think it should be done, even if it would technically improve things, that's great, but it won't happen. Ever. And thinking that it might is completely foolish, especially in light of Softnyx and Ijji's activities and intents of the past few years. So accept it and start working on things that will have a real, tangible effect, rather than sitting around pissing about how much more awesome things would be if they changed this or that or that other thing when it's very, plainly, incredibly obvious that they are not interested in that. Period.

you've also seemingly jumped to the conclusion that my ideas are something that i think could actually happen or that will actually occur to softnyx enough to move them (in the business sense) to make changes. but any of the many GB veterans here will join you in telling you that it won't, given softnyx' track record.

and your idea that i thought my suggestions would actually happen is delirious thinking at best. (but congratulations on pointing out the obvious)

but at the same time these ideas represent things similar to what many of us have suggested to softnyx when it actually mattered business-wise. do you really not understand this? the fact that pretty-much every one of us was ignored might or might-not matter, but it did indeed happen.

one small example was hellic's petition, which hundreds of people signed (remember that?).

what you fail to realise is, we knew better. we here at GBGL. that might not represent the height of business-thinking, but it was at least honest and well-intentioned. it was just stating the truth.

moving on, most of what you say already occurred to me long ago, and i guess it gives you chutzpah in recounting it to me as if i was a 14-year old who had just discovered GB and just discovered the basics of business thinking. but be that as it may, your arrogance is your own affair.

Do you even read any of the crap you're saying?

Let's recount this.

• I say: dude, they can't fix it, they'd need to change too much, and that isn't going to happen.
• You respond: But I have some solutions! I've said them before, but here they are again!
• I say: dude, that's great, but it's not going to happen, what does it have to do with this discussion or this site, if you really want those solutions to take effect do them yourself because no one else is going to.
• You response: They COULD have done something to make it happen, I just said how! I won't, though, and don't tell me to do them!
• I say: in an effort to derail this thread even further than it already has been: jesus fucking christ dude, they can't fix it because of business reasons, not mechanical, so no, they can't. It's just not happening.
• And now you respond: but I knew that! You're being arrogant telling me this!

Yeah, okay. If you really knew that, you wouldn't have responded the way you did the first time, because you would have realized how utterly pointless it was to do so. So, I don't see how I'm the one being out of line here. You consistently and repeatedly missed the point by about eighteen light years and I had to get increasingly more forceful to pound it into you since apparently you aren't even trying to maintain a consistent and logical progression of thought and ideas here.

We all know about your gameplay ideas. They have been reiterated. Many times. That's great and all. They are not happening because Softnyx is bound by its own business plans and therefore cannot do anything even if it wanted to. Period. They are irrelevant to this discussion. They do not have anything to do with the future of GBGL, its site, or its users. They have to do with some fixes, that we all know are not going to happen, to a game that is on a slippery downhill slope because its developers do not care about gameplay, and have some very good reasons not to.

I tire of this. If you wish to continue this line of reasoning/discussion I will not be responding, for it is neither the purpose of this thread nor is it in any way helpful in the reality of either this site or this game.

rofl... "you tire of this".

if you had listened well the first time then this wouldn't be an issue for you to "tire over." go back and read the thread.

i basically said i was angry towards sofnyx. you basically said i had no right to be. i basically said that they could have done things differently. then you act like you started this thread by saying that basically they couldn't have. (stop me if any of this seems wrong)

i say again that you are full of shit. OF COURSE softnyx could have done some things differently. OF COURSE we could be in a different situation today if their people had conducted things differently.

the one way in which you are NOT full of shit and NOT a revisionist historian is if you had actually released your game in a timeframe that actually mattered to any of us before we move on to other games.

and honestly, based on your work ethic, we should not be your focus and you should not waste your time by posting here.

forget GB and for god's sake get your shit done before you are completely irrelevant. you can thank me later for being the irritating thorn in your ass, but so far you are failing to make a coherant argument and failing to provide a feasible alternative.

well, pap got the debates he wanted...
i am not good at reading when its this late at night =[

so basically pap wants worms world party. well, i dont see whats stopping you.

@ mauve
eh... i believe pap HAS already given up on gunbound.

Ok.

Pap :
Mauve :
Pap :
Mauve :
Pap :
Mauve :
Pap :

I love the community here but i have to admit most of us just come here for the hell of it now and have nothing to do with gunbound anymore. That game died years ago and i dont understand how i even managed to keep my sanity while i was on my rampage to rank 21. I say we keep the gbgl name just delete everything related to gunbound and just chat like we do now, pretending gunbound doesn't exist anymore.

*not supported*

How about the non-gunbound players do that and we remain the only place on the internet outside of the freeboards where people can actually talk about the game, it rarely happens, but might as well keep it there, and I'm the only person who will be policing that section (being the only person of power that actually plays GB still)

Yeah, even though I don't play anymore I kind of second this. Getting rid of the GB forum sections would be kind of silly, at least at this stage. However, condensing them down might not be a bad idea, since obviously their importance has.. uh.. waned a bit over the years, yeah?

I mean, it is basically 'a community of a bunch of dudes who, at one point or another, played a busted Korean artillery game and got involved with some people who also did.' The viewpoints and interests are pretty diverse and all, but yeah. Moving in a direction that more accurately reflects that would probably be the best idea if you want this place to continue to thrive, just as long as it's without neglecting its roots.

lol'd hard

i want another online game besides poker that's quick and fun.

i already had the ideal game, armagetron, but it's become too fast for my aging reflexes and was always too cool for any of you slowpokes to play. :P

This

I shit a brick when I saw you and mauve start debating on the next page

<3

what?

maybe GBGL will become the next 4chan.



but really, i like the people here. we all got to know each other over GunBound, and even though most of us don't even play anymore we still come back because we know each other. either that, or there's no other place we'd rather go to for talking about shit on the internet.

the people who actually come here for GB is just a nice little gag.

as for changing GBGL, i'm all for it. it'll still be the same people, but it better be something awesome Shere.

<3

Anyway, to sum up the softnyx related discussion: Softnyx can't run a game for shit, enough said.

I say we keep a SMALL forum GB related and make it a general chat forum(Music, etc)

I second the Peruvian dude who is awesome.

i owe mauve for starting that up, but i i fear that i was not as polite and diplomatic as i could have been. :X

obviously the theme of this forum

no love for me :3

you changed man, changed.

should just have a section for approved users to view, pass protected, approved by admins, that is where the formulas should be, at least the non private ones